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Thursday, June 12, 2014

The Kodai Incident: "Reappearance"?


Over the past few days I have been closely following the news coming in regarding Swami's Kodaikanal "Appearance". I have verified the news through reliable sources including the father of one of the boys who was part of the Kodaikanal gathering. From what I know, only one boy was able to see Swami and hear His Discourse. So this boy was repeating what Swami was saying. Nevertheless, it is exciting news!

Many devotees have opined on this as the "Reappearance" of Swami. However in my humble opinion, "Not yet"! It may very well be a beginning of events to unfold since the Discourses were given to a large group of about 150 people, unlike some other incidents that happened around the world where Swami appeared to individual devotees.

[A portion of this article which referred to the visit of the delegates from Indonesia to SSSIHL, has been removed for factual inaccuracy 

One particular passage from Swami's Discourse (translated transcription) on May 13, 2014 stood out for me (as a firm believer in the Reappearance).

Swami says: "This is a very, very sacred, very unique time in the history of mankind, where One Spirit is moving on into the other. Soon, Bhagawan’s Mission will grow, expand and reach all the corners of the world, and the New Avatar, Bhagawan will come back physically, for those who crave for it, as the new Avatar, as another Sai Avatar, very shortly. And as long as you have this faith that Bhagawan is with you, you shall all participate in the Mission which will continue from this Avatar to the next".

At the first glance it may appear that Swami is speaking of Prema Sai since He mentions "another Sai Avatar". However I have reasons to believe that Swami is speaking of the Part II of the Sathya Sai form in a new (manifested) body. I shall elaborate on this in another article if Swami permits.

Hopefully things will start happening in a higher magnitude pretty soon!

31 comments:

  1. OM SAI RAM
    yes it does appear as if Swami is talking next Avatar - BABA talks in many riddles - He may say God is here or Shiva is in Prasanthi or I am Shiva or I am beyond Shiva etc....AS HE IS ALL THINGS AND NONE HE SPEAKS IN ALL DIMENSIONAL TIME ZONES often addressing other dimensional being as well as us Human beings but In my limited experience not a single Devotee has come forward and said I had either a dream of SWAMI saying I coming as Prema SAI or Prema Sai stating I am coming soon - ALL VISIONS ARE OF SWAMI SAYING I AM COMING SOON. Even if BABA may refer to PREMA SAI, SWAMI STILL BYLAWS OF DHARMA HAS TO FULFILL HIS WORDS and the Prophecies of ALL SAINTS AND RISHIS OF THE PAST documented in both Religious Scriptures or others, Devotees who believe PREMA SAI is coming are only quoting SWAMI'S own declaration " I will live in this body to 96 years of age, then Prema SAI will assume a body a years later"
    SWAMI IS TO APPEAR PHYSICALY and as Jesus and others foresaw IT WILL BE A MOMENTOUS TIME, EARTH SHAKING, AN ENTRANCE DESIGNED FOR MAXIMUN EFFECT WHERE BY MANKIND WILL STOP, LOOK AND THE BOW IN FRIGHTENING AWE OF THE POWER OF SATHYA SAI BHAGWAN - I will forgoe the car.....I wil walk across the sky......that too will happen ..believe me..BABA

    JAI SAI RAM

    SAI DAV

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    1. Sairam brother,
      I just wanted to mention that my wife last week had dream of Swami in a bearded form which looked similar to Prema Sai. He was allotting accommodations to devotees in his ashram. I was surprised about this dream, since I also hope at some level that the Sathya Sai Avatar will return. But His will is unfathomable .. so I think it is a bit pointless to interpret this either way. However, I post this here since you mentioned no devotee has had a dream of Prema Sai stating I am coming soon .. people may not have had a such a specific dream, but I am sure there are others who have seen Prema Sai and received messages in dreams or visions. Sairam.

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  2. TH IS SATHYA SAI MULTIPLE FORM .THIS WAS STATEDVEARLIER BY SWAMI ,THAT HE WWUD APPEAR AS MULTIPLE FORMS STRAAATEGY

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  3. Brother,

    Actually this incident was news to me. I didnt see any reference in any Sai groups that I am part of. Can you please provide more information on this please?

    Sairam
    Rajesh

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    1. Also brother, regarding the Indonesian devotee incident. Coincidentally(dont know a better word Sai - incidentally?) I heard the talk by Sai Giridhar delivered during Aradhana Mahotsavam same day that I first read this post in your blog. He has mentioned this as a first hand information.
      Here is the link to the talk - http://dl.radiosai.org/TALK_2012_04_25_COLLOQUIUM_SAI_GIRIDHAR_03.mp3

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  4. Sreejith.....this is all so wonderful. We had a wonderful conversation tonight. Love you, Brother!!!!!!!

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  5. sathyameva jayathe...he will come again soon...just awaiting the return and relishing every bit of news that hints his return :) :)

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  6. Clear thinking is the need of the hour. Sri Shiridi Sai Babaji was the First Avatar. Sri Satya Sai Baba Varu is the Second Avatar. This Second Avatar is not yet over, but still on. Now it is ‘ INTERMISSION ’ time. This Avatar is to continue. Thereafter Sri Prema Sai , the Third Avatar would come in at Pandavapura . On 23.11.2010 umpteen arches were erected heralding His 85th Birthday( by Solar Calendar and not Lunar Calendar). It is clear that the Sri Satya Sai Avatar will be on till His 96th year. This shows clearly that He will return. There is no room for talk or reappearance, resurrection etc. but ‘Return of Sri Satya Sai’ is correct.

    Jesus was Son of God. On the third day after crucification He resurrected. Sri Satya Sai Baba Varu is God, the Poorna Avatar and there is no death for HIM. I repeat that like Lord Krishna the Poorna Avatar, Bhagawan Sri Satya Sai Baba Varu will finally disappear with selected devotees, which, perhaps who knows may include you, me and some of us. We all know the episode of the DOUBTING THOMAS when Jesus resurrected and returned prior to rising into Heaven. When Bhagawan Baba returns soon, like the Apostle Thomas we will have even many of His very close disciples/devotees/aids of years to doubt and go into temporary stupor and dizziness only to recover and accept His Return.

    AWAIT dear fellow devotees for the greatest day in HUMAN HISTORY to dawn any second, minute, day or week from now on with the Return of Bhagawan Sri Satya Sai Baba Varu. The Day is near that the whole world would converge to Puttaparthi from Bethlahem, Rome, Mecca, Gaya, Varanasi, Badrinath, Kedarnath etc etc for His Land, Sea , aerial Darshans. SAI RAM- SUNDER










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    1. Sai RAM Sunder ji

      here is example of Resurrection of SATHYA SAI WITHOURT ANY DOUNT WHATSOEVER !!!!

      CV Harsha has dream of SWAMI

      IN THIS BODY I AM COMING VERY SOON - BABA

      Message from C V Sri Harsha. ( via Sai, Thy Kingdom Come)

      Today Sunday early morning in the dream, Bhagawan is about to sit inside a car, I am asking Him: “Swami, in Shirdi Avatar, you were away from the body for 3 days”. Immediately Bhagawan replies saying “Yes, in Shirdi Avatar I was away for 3 days but in this body I am going to come back again very soon”. Then He enters the car and the vision ends. Many thanks to Bhagawan for this Divine message. Let us all pray earnestly for Bhagawan's reappearance as early as possible for the redemption of the whole world. —

      JAI SAI RAM

      SAI DAV

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  7. Sai Ram Sreejith,
    You seem to be positioned at a confluence where many streams of fascinating information are flowing towards you. This is also fortunate for us who follow the news here. But sometimes some internet links would be good, so that we can do our own independent research. Is there a link to that German newsletter? Is there a link to that Kodai information?
    Thanks for everything.

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    1. Sairam,

      Regarding the Indonesian experience cited in the German newsletter, please hear this video: minute 22 onwards: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3XOoqOmoLc.

      I randomly clicked on this video to listen this morning, and heard this information. I remembered reading your comment earlier :), so thought I will pass it along. Sairam,

      Lrao

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    2. Thank you so much for this link. But it does just raise further questions. The speaker says that one Indonesian gentleman came and saw Swami, in December 2011, while the German newsletter quoted above says a group of people came in June/July 2013. Are these separate incidents? While the 2011 incident is surely true, is the 2013 incident just a misunderstanding or corruption of the same incident? I think it's important to get the facts straight. Perhaps one day they will straighten themselves!
      Sai Ram

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    3. Sairam Christian, the 2013 incident was also mentioned by Dr.Jumsai in a talk which one of my friends attended.

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  8. Thanks Bro Sreejit for shedding some light on Kodai incident. It was very confusing to say the least and at times very frustrating and irritating that the news was kept hush hush and when the news and especially the photos came out, it only added to the confusion. Even now lot of questions unanswered. Sairam.

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    1. Pictures? Can someone post the list please?

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    2. Oops, I meant link(s) to the pictures.

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    3. Sai ram Bro Naren.
      Pls type at youtube: Sri Sathya Sai Baba: Kodaikanal Apparitions in May 2014.And you can view the pictures.

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  9. Sairam. It is frustrating and irritating only if we are too hung up on getting all the 'facts' right for every piece of news that comes out.Speaking for myself, I have figured out that I will get to know stuff on a 'need to know' basis (as determined by Swami). Even if he get to know all the news accurately, we don't know what it really means in terms of Swami's reappearance. I was listening to the same speech I cited earlier in the comments section - the speaker highlights equanimity as the one big trait to cultivate on the path of spirituality. And, this is a great opportunity to try and practice that as we await what we hope, pray and believe may be the biggest event in history! So, I would humbly pray - let's all hang in there, not worry about validating and understanding every piece of news that comes our way. Just trust Swami. Sairam,

    Lrao

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  10. Dear Ones
    Sai Ram. I have been channeling Sathya Sai Baba since He left His Body in 2011. I have channeled 9 books to date, all Swami's Words. You may view these books from Swami at www.saibabadisciplerelationship.com. Sathya Sai says in ,"Moving Toward God Realization," that He has already taken the form of Prema Sai Baba in the latter part of 2013 in south India. Catherine Kapahi;Canada

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  11. Heres the link for Video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YlrY5eBXWw

    Samy

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  12. why are people so caught up on a physical form? That form has gone but Sai's spirit lives on in Puttaparthi in the mandir where darshan is readily available.. Why so much hype for another body? I would say this is rather childish. Like a child who refuses to let his mother's hand go.. We each are totally responsible for our own evolution and another body will not make our journey any easier.. Another body will only make people more dependent on a physical form, now that would be a sad shame..

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    1. Sairam. Sai's spirit lives not only in Puttaparthi but also everywhere else, including our hearts.

      May be the following article will explain my views on the Reappearance:

      http://kingdomofsai.blogspot.com/2013/02/has-swami-gone-anywhere.html

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    2. OM SAI RAM I don't think its about people being caught up on the form of swami, rather the fact that his reappearance may contribute in a shift of consciousness on this planet, and not for only sai devotees but for everyone. Surely people will have to take notice of a being who has physically departed and then resurrected.
      Also I believe that information on this subject needs to be verified however big or small the information may seem, swami says there should be no embellishment when speaking about your experiences and details should based on truth and fact , also this gives us a chance to think of swami while all these rumours discussed.

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  13. I visited Sai Baba in 1990 - and darshan was wonderful. I was to visit almost every year after. I don't feel the need for another Sai Baba to reappear in another body. Why is there a need? - We learn, we grow, we evolve. Our ultimate goal is the one formless God, and did not Sai Baba say so many times? - Sai Baba does not channel - he has no need of people to channel him. He can reach anyone at anytime at any place.. Sai Baba's body may not be visible but he has not gone anywhere. His darshan is still readily available in the mandir in Puttparthi.. I have experienced the still wonderful peace and heart connection with his invisible presence while visiting in both 2012 and 2013.. he is still there. He has not gone anywhere... Sai Ram

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    1. Sairam, In my humble opinion, we should think beyond "I" and even "We". The "We" in your comments include only Sai devotees. We should go even beyond that "We" and then we will see a need for Swami's Reappearance. If we keep thinking that Swami came to this earth for the sake of a handful of Sai devotees, then we will never grow up.

      Of course, Swami has not gone anywhere. May be the following article will explain:

      http://kingdomofsai.blogspot.com/2013/02/has-swami-gone-anywhere.html

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    2. I and We - well of course I made the mistake of trying to write a post with "I" - naughty me. slap wrist!!! Your words: ("for the sake of a handful of Sai devotees.") I kindly remind you that there are many well established religions with huge followings doing excellent work. All be it, we do not always hear of the good side. Sai Baba always said: I have not come to establish a new faith" He also said, and I quote, "follow your own religion be it Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Jewish." - thank you..

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    3. Sai Ram Garden108 and to the Unknow who posted his/her comment on June 20, 2014 at 12.45pm.

      Bhagwan had been around for the past 85 years yet not all the people in have heard of Him let alone the rest of the world. In fact, outside India, those who do not know or have not heard of Him pale His devotes and followers into insignificant. How then do you expect transformation of the world to happen when the majority of the world have never heard of Him and His teachings? Please remember that the prime reason for Bhagawan' Advent is for the transformation of the entire human, not just for His devotees and followers only.
      The world is chaotic, in turmoil. Conflicts are spreading like forest wild fire in the Middle East and many other countries. Countries are governed by corrupt politicians. Greed and selfishness are the dominant values these days. Religion are suppose to teach love, peace, compassion, forgiveness and so on but what we witness are religious bgiotry, dogmatism and fanaticism. Who, therefore, can resolve this horrendous, gigantic mass mankind has created? None other than GOD. And Bhagawan is GOD in human form!!!
      I believe without any shadow of doubt and in utmost good faith that Bhagawan will return in His physical form, looking younger as prophesied in the Nadi and in the dreams of many devotees, to transform the human race. His return after a few of His Mahasamadi will create world wide media coverage and the impact will be such that it take the world by storm Besides, I feel that some form of extravaganza as predicted in the Bible and other religions would take place, or some catastrophes would happen that only God could come to the rescue thereby confounding the world into total submission to God in the human for of Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.
      Please note that everything Baba had said had happened except the unification of all Faiths and the performance of a miracle reater than Krishna raising the mountain to protect His devotees from the storm. These have yet to be accomplished. Therefore, His mission on earth is not finished. I personally feel that without the unity of all Faiths, the Golden Age is nothing more than an illusion as religious conflicts will create nothing but chaos,to the entire world.
      Bhagawan will have to return soon in view of the present world situation which is deteriorating by the day. Let us pray for His return soon. Most importantly, as His devotees and followers, we should prepare ourselves by deepening and intensifying our sadanah to make ourselves worthy of Him and await the greatest show on earth.
      Words can hardly express my hearty thanks and gratitude to brother Sreejith for his tremendously wonderful book which I am surevhas helped countless devotees and followers to regain their faith in Bhagawan. Sai Ram dear brother Sreejith, many, many thanks to you once again.

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    4. Hello Ben: "Religion are suppose to teach love, peace, compassion, forgiveness and so on but what we witness are religious bigotry , dogmatism and fanaticism."


      "GOD. And Bhagawan is GOD in human form!!!
      I believe without any shadow of doubt and in utmost good faith that Bhagawan will return in His physical form, looking younger as prophesied in the Nadi and in the dreams of many devotees, to transform the human race. His return after a few of His Mahasamadi will create world wide media coverage and the impact will be such that it take the world by storm Besides, I feel that some form of extravaganza as predicted in the Bible and other religions would take place, or some catastrophes would happen that only God could come to the rescue thereby confounding the world into total submission to God in the human for of Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba."

      O kay - I hear you - but you are coming from a purely physical point of view - there are other ways of looking at a change in human consciousness, that embraces all religions.


      A shift in Consciousness

      "Actually I will stick my neck out and say that insofar as the Christ-image, along with the Buddha-image and the Krishna-image, embodies a transformation in human consciousness - an expansion no less - then the marriage of the Christ-nature (Sai Nature if you prefer that ) with all of us, regardless of our beliefs, has already happened. That work is done. We *have* been changed, although not in the sense most modern Christians think. The human race shifted massively during that Axial Age and we will shift again - if we want to... Steiner said that Christ had become the global Etheric guardian of the planet. It's only recently that I have come to understand what he meant: that that transformation of consciousness had effected all of us on a spiritual level. I would include Buddha-nature, Krishna-nature, Shekinah-nature, Sophia-nature, Gibreel-nature & Lao Tzu-nature in all that, but I believe it has happened." and in my humble opinion I include with Krishna nature, and that of Sathya Sai Baba nature... " - The point I am trying to make - each will be changed according to their own beliefs - On this point I quit this conversation.. I have already contacted Sreejith, and posted him the above quote." Thank you and Sai Ram

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  14. After going through some of the comments i am reminded of a beautiful poem written by an youngster in a renowned magazine in their issue around middle of 2013. In his/her lengthy poem, among other things, the youth writes:(only essence is given here in prose) " ... when i am praying for His reappearance, the elders tell me, where has He gone, He is everywhere. But what i ask You is You have been there everywhere even before Your Satya Sai advent. Your reappearance in the form will not in any way diminish that glory of Your formless aspect.It is okay with those who enjoyed Your proximity and played with you, what about devotees like me who entered the fold after your temporary occultation.

    (Having received the additional advantage of Supreme Divinity's coming in form i.e. the catalystic effect of rapid spiritual progress by His glance by His touch etc., let us not come in the way of others who too can get the benefit of His gift- His present, the omnipresent, the understanding of the power of now, through the proximity of God on His Second Advent.)

    In fact the second Advent helps even those who have progressed. Whenever we reported our Princi that our EHV syllabus was over, he used to narrate a beautiful anecdote to drive home the point.
    Swami to a pundit: Sastry, now that you have fulfilled your family responsibilities why don't you settle down in Prashanthinilayam? I will provide you accommodation and other conveniences.
    Pundit: Swami i am fully 'developed' no need to stay here.
    Swami:Fully developed, but yet to 'ripen' !
    Finally the Pundit returned to his native town in coastal Andhra Pradesh!
    Even for those who feel they have attained,there are always further- levels and planes to attain- the seven mansions and all- till we become one with Him-, which require special grace and hand holding from God, if it is the God in familiar and Attractive Form the climb is faster.

    -a little instrument in God's Mission

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  15. Sai Ram,

    Swami to an elderly devotee in His Mission:
    He said, "I am showing you My Light Body. This is who I really am. You think that this little, orange-robed Body is who I am. Not at all." And then He explained, He could project Himself from this Light Body into this orange One and go to London, Singapore or Timbuktu or wherever. And that is His ability. He said, "You also have this Light Body, but you don't know that this is your Self. This is My real Self.As you will be willing to visualise this and meditate on this, you will be making more contact with your own Light Bkdy." […]. Then, I was giving a seminar in a big centre, not too far from Frankfurt in Germany. They were all Baba devotees. There was a boutique; they were selling Japa Mala [prayer beads], pictures of Baba and books. I saw at the end of the room a stand with greeting cards.I went to it and to my utter, utter surprise, I saw a card with exactlg the same Light Body, not with Baba but with Jesus! It was painted by a theosophist. This was how He gave me a verification of what I had been receiving.


    Sai Ram

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